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    Saddle height calculator

    A good starting saddle height is your inseam × 0.883, measured from the centre of the bottom bracket to the top of the saddle (the LeMond method). With an 84 cm inseam that is 74.2 cm. Fine-tune from there so your knee bends about 25 to 35 degrees at the bottom of the pedal stroke.

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    Stand barefoot against a wall, a book pressed up between your legs; measure floor to the top of the book.

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    Saddle height (LeMond)
    74.2cm
    Centre of bottom bracket to top of saddle, along the seat tube

    109 % method: 91.6 cm from the pedal axle (crank down, in line with the seat tube) to the top of the saddle.

    LeMond assumed 170 mm cranks. With 172.5 mm cranks, lower the saddle by about 2.5 mm.

    Fine-tune: with the pedal at the bottom, your knee should bend 25 to 35 degrees. Change height in steps of 2 to 3 mm.

    LeMond: inseam × 0.883. Hamley: inseam × 1.09. Holmes: 25 to 35° knee angle at the bottom of the stroke (Peveler et al., 2005).

    How the saddle height calculator works

    Saddle height is the most important number in your bike position. Too low and you lose power and the front of the knee can get sore. Too high and your hips rock and the back of the knee or your lower back can complain. This calculator gives you a starting height from your inseam using two classic methods, then shows you how to fine-tune it. It is one of the free LeCoach cycling calculators.

    • LeMond method: saddle height = inseam × 0.883, measured from the centre of the bottom bracket to the top of the saddle, along the seat tube.
    • 109 % method (Hamley): saddle height = inseam × 1.09, measured from the pedal axle with the crank pointing down in line with the seat tube, to the top of the saddle.
    • Knee-angle method (Holmes): with the pedal at the bottom of the stroke, your knee should bend 25 to 35 degrees.

    The first two give a number for a tape measure; the third is the check on the bike.

    Worked example. Your inseam is 84 cm and your cranks are 172.5 mm. LeMond: 84 × 0.883 = 74.2 cm from the centre of the bottom bracket to the top of the saddle. 109 % method: 84 × 1.09 = 91.6 cm from the pedal axle to the top of the saddle. LeMond assumed 170 mm cranks, so with 172.5 mm cranks lower the saddle by about 2.5 mm.

    Saddle height by inseam

    InseamLeMond (bottom bracket to saddle)109 % (pedal axle to saddle)
    72 cm63.6 cm78.5 cm
    76 cm67.1 cm82.8 cm
    80 cm70.6 cm87.2 cm
    84 cm74.2 cm91.6 cm
    88 cm77.7 cm95.9 cm
    92 cm81.2 cm100.3 cm

    The two methods agree closely once you allow for the crank. For the 84 cm inseam, 91.6 cm minus a 172.5 mm crank is 74.3 cm, within about 1.5 mm of the LeMond figure. If your two measurements disagree by more than that, recheck where you measured from.

    How to measure and set it

    1. Measure your inseam properly. Stand barefoot against a wall, press a hardback book up between your legs as firmly as a saddle, and measure from the floor to the top of the book. The same measurement drives the bike size calculator.
    2. Find the centre of the bottom bracket. That is the centre of the axle the cranks turn on.
    3. Measure along the seat tube to the top of the saddle, where your sit bones rest, not at the nose.
    4. Set the height and mark the seatpost with tape so you can return to it.
    5. Ride and check the knee angle. With the pedal at the bottom of the stroke, your knee should bend 25 to 35 degrees. Film yourself from the side and measure the angle from hip to knee to ankle.
    6. Adjust 2 to 3 mm at a time, and ride a few times between changes.

    Peveler and colleagues compared these methods in trained cyclists and found that the inseam formulas often put riders outside the 25 to 35 degree range, so they recommended using the knee angle for the final setting. Treat the formulas as a starting point and the knee angle as the check.

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    Common mistakes

    • Measuring to the nose of the saddle. Measure to the point where you sit, along the line of the seat tube.
    • Using trouser inseam. It is shorter than your real inseam, so your saddle ends up too low.
    • Ignoring shoes and cleats. Thick soles and tall pedal and cleat stacks change your effective leg length. The knee-angle check accounts for them; a formula does not.
    • Changing too much at once. A 1 cm jump can swap one problem for another. Move 2 to 3 mm and give it a few rides.

    Signs your saddle height is wrong

    • Too low: knees come up high, you feel cramped, and the front of the knee can ache. Power feels low.
    • Too high: hips rock side to side, toes point down at the bottom of the stroke, the back of the knee or your hamstrings can ache, and you may get saddle sores.

    If knee, hip or back pain does not settle within a few rides of a small change, or if you notice swelling, stop adjusting and see a physiotherapist or doctor. A professional bike fit is also worth it if you ride long distances.

    When to recheck your saddle height

    • New shoes, pedals or cleats.
    • A new saddle, which may be thicker or thinner.
    • A new bike or crank length. Shorter cranks need a slightly higher saddle, longer cranks a slightly lower one.
    • After an injury or a long break.

    Flexibility and strength help you hold any position comfortably. Our guides to mobility training for cyclists and core training for cyclists cover the basics, and cycling training for beginners helps if you are new to riding. A good position makes every watt count. LeCoach makes sure those watts go into the right training.

    Sources

    • Peveler WW et al. Comparing methods for setting saddle height in trained cyclists. Journal of Exercise Physiology Online, 2005;8(1):51-55.
    • LeMond G, Gordis K. Greg LeMond's Complete Book of Bicycling. Putnam, 1987.
    • Hamley EJ, Thomas V. Physiological and postural factors in the calibration of the bicycle ergometer. Journal of Physiology, 1967;191:55P-57P.

    Frequently asked questions

    How do I calculate my saddle height?

    Multiply your inseam in centimetres by 0.883. That gives the distance from the centre of the bottom bracket to the top of the saddle, along the seat tube. An 84 cm inseam gives 74.2 cm. Then check on the bike that your knee bends 25 to 35 degrees with the pedal at the bottom.

    What is the 109 % method?

    It sets saddle height at 109 % of your inseam, measured from the pedal axle with the crank pointing down in line with the seat tube, to the top of the saddle. With an 84 cm inseam that is 91.6 cm. It comes from research by Hamley and Thomas and gives nearly the same result as LeMond.

    What knee angle should I have at the bottom of the pedal stroke?

    About 25 to 35 degrees of knee bend, measured with the pedal at the bottom of the stroke. This is the Holmes method, and research comparing saddle height methods in trained cyclists recommends it for final setting. Less bend means the saddle is probably too high, more bend that it is too low.

    Does crank length change saddle height?

    Yes. The LeMond formula assumes 170 mm cranks. With longer cranks the pedal reaches lower, so lower the saddle by about the difference: 2.5 mm for 172.5 mm cranks, 5 mm for 175 mm. With shorter cranks, raise it by the difference: 5 mm for 165 mm cranks.

    How do I know if my saddle is too high?

    Your hips rock from side to side, your toes point down at the bottom of the stroke and you may feel stretched to reach the pedals. Ache behind the knee or in the hamstrings is common. Lower the saddle 2 to 3 mm at a time and check that your knee bends 25 to 35 degrees.

    How do I know if my saddle is too low?

    Your knees come up high at the top of the stroke and you feel cramped, with less power than usual. An ache at the front of the knee is a common sign. Raise the saddle 2 to 3 mm at a time. If pain stays after small changes or you notice swelling, see a physiotherapist or doctor.

    Is saddle height the same for road, gravel and mountain bikes?

    The starting height is the same, because it depends on your legs. Many riders set gravel and mountain bikes a few millimetres lower for more control off-road, and use a dropper post to lower the saddle on descents. Always measure each bike separately, as saddles and cranks differ.

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